On 10/6/2009 at 8:58 AM, macisaac said:
Here's some quick, random questions.
How do you explain the fact that `Ubaydullah "al-Mahdi" had claimed he was a descendant of `Abdullah b. Ja`far, not of Isma`il b. Ja`far?
How about the about-face (one of many) where the da`wa had originally claimed that Muhammad b. Isma`il was the Qa'im in ghayba, to then claiming that it was all a ruse, and that in fact one of the da`is himself was the Imam, splitting the movement in two between those upholding the original doctrine, and those following the new?
What about the fact that Nizar had been appointed by his father al-Mustansir as the imam, but then the child Musta`li was put on the throne (his older brother imprisoned) by al-Afdal (Sunni wasn't he) with the latter essentially running the show?
See AlsoDawoodi Bohras - HomeHome - The Dawoodi BohrasDawoodi Bohra beliefs and practices.Dawoodi Bohra beliefs and practices.The possible insanity of al-Hakim, how do you explain that?
Why if Qadi Nu`man had access to an infallible imam, why then did he have to rely on Imami and Zaydi collections of hadiths to compile Da`aim al-Islam, and why no hadiths in that past Imam Sadiq (as)?
As you don't know who your imam is now, how do you fulfill the necessity of knowing the Imam of ones time, lest one die the death of Jahiliyya?
As to the infallibility issue, interesting dodge. Yes, MdM, they're da`i mutlaq started claiming `ismat sometime in the 1800s.
I knew that you would ask this questions, but as brother shoelace said in previous post, i am not a student of Jamea tus Saifiyah in Surat, so don't have references to quote here.
But when Majority of sunni population don't believe and accept what we shia say, and rulers of that time have fabricated and change the facts in the books, there is quite a possibility that it may have happen with Shia groups too. All written matter about Imam Mehdi, Imam Hakim and Imam Mustali, are fabricated to just put a lid on Noor of Imamat
As i said i don't know reference as it is hard to get. But i can provide miracles of our Dai's which are getting complied on net i guess you would not able to digest that.
To share a example i will state down, how a Lady of Shia Insa Ansari faith converted to Dawoodi bohra just by attending on Ashura Majlis..There are other numerous instances and this are all authentic, because this people are all alive today to say about the miracles happened with them.
Interviews of people whose lives have been touched by the grace of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb, TUS
Following interview of Bahen Jumana Vasi, Dubai, by Sakina Sh Noman Miyajiwala and Mudar Patherya
I was 18, carefree, rebellious, outgoing and member of the Ithna Ashara sect when I met Saifuddin Vasi at Teheran in 1969. We married a year later following my ritualistic misaaq. I will be honest; I did not believe in it. We stayed in Iran for three years; during this period, a number of people impressed upon me the teachings of the Dawoodi Bohra faith including Syedi Mazoon e Dawat, who advised my husband to move out of Iran as there was no mumineen environment in that country to nurse my faith. We moved to Dubai in 1973.
It was in Dubai that I attended my first mumineen majlis during Ashara. Something happened…I felt an inexplicable stirring. Then a few days later, on the night of Ashura 1394 (2.1.1974) I had a dream, which turned out to be the turning point of my life. I saw myself sitting in an open ground in Dubai with other mumineen waiting for Imam Husain to arrive. Imam Husain!
Suddenly I saw ‘Imam Husain’ on a white horse riding towards the gathering. He kept nearing and when I could finally see clearly, it was none other but Maulana Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb (T.U.S.). He rode, looked at me and went out of my sight.
I awoke dazed and in denial. Here I was, believed in none but Aqa Husain and I was seeing him impersonated by the Dai of the Dawoodi Bohras, a faith that I had consistently resisted. I was confused. Show me the right path immediately, I demanded of Allah! Yes, I demanded.
I didn’t have to wait long. Three days later, unfolded Dream Two. And this time I round I saw a wizened and venerable old man – I identified this as Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb (AQ) as seen in the photographs on the walls – who told me “Aa sahee raasto chhey”(This is the right path). I awoke, attended to my daughter, slept again, only to see Muqaddas Maula (Syedna Taher Saifuddin) emerge in my dream again to tell me “Aa Dawat-aj sahee raasto chhey! (This mission is only the right path)”
Saifuddin and I went to Huzurala immediately after. Even before either of us had even spoken a word, he looked up and said, “Hu tamara khwab ma aayo hatho ne? Hawe tamne kai shaq chhey? Hawe to tamne shaq nathi ne?” (Wasn't me who had come in your dreams? Do you still have any doubt? Now you don't have any doubt na?
My first reaction: I wept. Not wept, sobbed. Not sobbed, but put my head on his qadam and purged myself emotionally. I could hear people saying ‘Su karo chho, behen? (what are you doing sister)’, ‘Utho, behen! (get up sister)’ and ‘Aam na thai, behen’ (you shouldn't do this sister) but Huzurala Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin asked them to let things be. ‘Ehne rehva dav’ (let her be), I heard him say.
When I looked up, others around me in Saifee Mahal were fishing for their handkerchiefs. Maula asked my daughter’s name. I replied ‘Tasneem’. He replied: “Naam baraaber chhey” (Name is right). Huzurala then instructed Shaikh Ebrahim Yamani to record my dream for the benefit of the daawat archives. On the following day, Syedi Mazoon Saheb told us that Huzurala had mentioned my dream and my ‘ikhlaas’ over thaal (Eating plate).
Since that day in January 1974, I have been a devout believer.
Note. Jumanaben’s great grand father was killed while defending the shrine of Imam Husain in 1801, following which her family name became ‘Shaheedi’.
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